Argentine ground forces rarely have the resources for training and are vastly under equipped, their kit dates back to the 70’s and is in very short supply. They are strangely silent. Don’t cry me Argentina? ARGENTINA PERSONAL ISSUE BASIC: THIS IS THE STANDARD ISSUE FOR ALL ARGENTINIAN ARMED FORCES PERSONNEL. It would be callous, to say the least, if the Argentine government were to spend $2 billion on advanced weaponry while cutting back on popular social services. Because what happens to a nation with no money to keep people happy, no military to keep people in line, on a continent flooded by guns? I don’t understand why your governments keep screwing things up to the extent that the country is nearly bankrupt again! “Those aircraft are the ones the Argentine government has pledged to purchase as the latest Argentine combat aircraft”, concludes Lanata's report. Argentine investigative reporter Jorge Lanata, loathed by the current government of president Cristina Fernandez for his disclosure of the close business links of certain unscrupulous entrepreneurs (or most probably straw-men) who have become millionaires during the Kirchner years, has now exposed the 'calamitous' state of the Argentine armed forces equipment. I would suggest Hawk trainers maybe with AA missiles and OPVs. Finally, according to Lanata, in 1990 when Cristina Fernandez daughter Florencia was born, Israel took its Kfir fighters from the first line of combat to the reserve. Our UK based radar systems are or have been modernised. I agree. Commenting for this story is now closed.If you have a Facebook account, become a fan and comment on our Facebook Page! Affordable and no threat to anyone. Sin embargo, aun muchos los resisten por lo que pasó en la decada del 70. We could chuck Jeremy Clarkson in too, they would love to get there hands on him. Argentine Air Force or Fuerza Aerea Argentina (FAA) - According to best estimates, the FAA started the war with: 45 Skyhawk A-4B and C attack bombers, 37 Dagger and ; 17 Mirage fighter and attack aircraft, ten Canberra light bombers, © 2014-2019 UK Defence Journal, all rights reserved. Understand your sentiments but best to keep Fortress Falklands in top condition. The Falklands are safe for the foreseeable future. The Argentine Army … Don’t take him to Argentina! For the Air Force conditions are equally discouraging, according to the report. As per the authorisation many years ago, the armed forces were supposed to stock for a 40-day intense war but it was then brought down to 10-I … Geographically at the bottom of the world I would have thought a maritime patrol, rescue and scientifically orientated coastguard and air force together with transport and helicopter units would be very welcome. However, many still resist for what happened in the 70’s. Argentina had looked into buying new Gripen’s from Sweden via Brazil but this was vetoed by the United Kingdom which makes a large number of internal components for the aircraft. A similar situation is faced by their four destroyers, they don’t have any serviceable weaponry. Weapons Name Type Caliber Branches Notes Picture Small arms M9 Pistol: Semi-automatic pistol: 9×19mm Parabellum: Army, Air Force, Coast Guard, Marine Corps, Navy Standard service pistol. 17 December 2020. So, that takes at least one item off the list. Leave him there. ..this should read “Calamitous state of Argentine ” period! The most famous of these expeditions was the one led by General José de San Martín, who led a 5000-man army across the Andes Mountains to expel the Spaniards from Chile and later from Perú. […] post Argentina has now ceased to be a capable military power appeared first on UK Defence […], I agree with above comments-this is not a cause for rejoicing on our part. Since his election in 2015, President Macri has drastically cut government spending and subsidies. Social Media and Comment Moderation Policy, Airpower by novel means – Drones over Nagorno-Karabakh, Britain’s stealthy hunter-killer submarine – The Astute class. Van a pasar decadas para que volver a recuperar muchas de las capacidades que perdimos. good riddance to this tin pot lousy arrogant country that got trounced in 1982 by Britain. Indeed. This publication provides annual statistics at 1 April each year on the UK armed forces vessels, land equipment and aircraft, and military formations. After a significant period of decline, Argentina has ceased to be a capable military force. It’s a beautiful country full of many riches. The Argentine military played a role in the institutional life of the country, during a series of coups d'état that took place in the 20th century. George has a degree in Cyber Security from Glasgow Caledonian University and has a keen interest in naval defence technology and cyber security matters. MoD's equipment plan has £13bn funding black hole meaning military may not be able to expand its F-35 fighter jet fleet, watchdog warns. You can flag a comment by clicking its flag icon. Then they had 400 aircraft including modern fighters. Of course the beauty of subs is that you can never be sure but, given the small size of our SSN fleet and the number of deployable boats that generates, together with the low threat environment down in the Falklands at the moment and all the other tasks we need our SSNs for, I would be extremely surprised if an Astute or Trafalgar has shown its face down there for a long time given how stretched they must be. Several armed expeditions were sent to the Upper Peru (now Bolivia), Paraguay, Uruguay and Chile to fight Spanish forces and secure Argentina's newly gained independence. In the UK it’s ‘defence’, and the tory government has a record on defence cuts that is shameful. The Argentine air force recently retired its Mirage fighters with only a handful of them even flyable. The Air Force's history begins with the establishment of the Argentine Army Aviation's Escuela de Aviación Militar (Military Aviation School) on 10 August 1912. In cases such as Argentinas though i would wager a military force is just as much to keep stability *within* the state as it is to deter those outside. Things can change quite quickly and if the Argentinians do acquire new modern jets then the new AD system needs to be in place in advance. We knew how to make tanks, submarines, airplanes and destroyers, and nothing of that remains. The Argentine Air Force (Spanish: Fuerza Aérea Argentina, or simply FAA) is the national aviation branch of the Armed Forces of the Argentine Republic.In 2010, it … http://uk.businessinsider.com/argentina-imf-bailout-could-make-financial-crisis-worse-2018-5?r=US&IR=T If we don’t I would not be surprised to see China offering them cheap loans. In August 2015, the Argentine air force retired its Mirage fighters, with only a handful of them even flyable. Here you can find data of military budget, personnel and military equipment They had also looked at JF-17’s from China, but the JF-17s proved too expensive to modify. Land ceptor and new radar sets? Addition of: UK armed forces equipment and formations 2020. 1 The Voice The Falklands aside, and the UK is no threat, I have often wondered why Argentina needs a combative force at all. The world could just be kewl. Chile has f16, Cobras, Scorpenes and type23, that difference tilts the region balance drastically. In addition to this, the Argentine Air Force largely consists of a collection of obsolete aircraft mostly dating back to the 1970’s, which are frequently grounded due to poor serviceability. Argentina might lack conventional forces to threaten the Falklands but could still use special forces, although this would not deliver sovereignty to them of the islands. The last major purchase of aircraft to revamp the Argentine Air Force capacity was back in 1995 when 32 A4AR Sky-hawks were acquired from the United States, for 400 million. Where we walk away, China walks in…, Buenas tardes, soy argentino. In the UK total government revenue for 2014-2015 was forecast to be £648 billion (37.7% of GDP) so on that figure a 2%-of-GDP defence budget would be 5.4% of national annual revenue. Argentina had done little to recapitalize its armed forces since the end of military rule in 1983. The USN scrapped 24 VLS equipped and modernized Spruance Class DDG to save just 28 million dollars.. could have have passed the best of them to us. And, with 73.9 percent of that funding going towards personnel expenses, there is little left over to acquire expensive equipment. Do any of the UK mainland air, army or naval bases have early warning and interceptor radars and defensive missile systems? The group say that for the time being, Argentina will have to rely on donations from other countries to fill the gaps in its military capabilities. When Barack Obama visited in March 2016, Air Force One was accompanied by US Air Force F-16’s because Argentina could only offer Pucarás and Pampas for air defence. A capable fighting force, the Argentine military has been hampered by decades of economic problems at the national level. The equipment of the United States Armed Forces includes, but is not limited to, weapons, ammunition, vehicles, and attire. And, while these measures will improve the government’s finances and help the economy become more sustainable in the long-term, they are causing short-term hardships for many Argentine citizens who have been accustomed to receiving government subsidies. In February, former Minister of Defense Julio Martinez ruled out a purchase of fighter jets. Annual statistics on the equipment holdings of the UK and other nations within the scope of the Conventional Armed Forces in Europe Treaty. Former Argentine defence minister Julio Martinez recently criticised government policies towards the Armed Forces saying a lack of funds has caused more losses than the Falklands War. I think the same. In 2016, Argentina’s defence budget was about $4.6 billion. And please don't worry, your report will be anonymous. The Forces today have about 40 … Never mind at least we don’t have to worry about Argentina for some time. Two situations help to illustrate what is happening with the Argentine Navy: the icebreaker Almirante Irizar and pride of Antarctica research has been in repairs since 2007 when it caught fire. The Argentine armed forces now compared to 82 is quite staggering. Janes Equipment, Markets and Industry Consulting Webcast: Defence Industry Conversations with US DoD Officials. BRITISH military chiefs were last night “carefully monitoring” developments after Argentina announced a £3billion revamp of its armed forces. A recently published daily agenda indicates that the service’s working hours have been significantly reduced, from 0800 to 1300; rationing of food, energy consumption, and office supplies has been directed headquarters staff and property residents; and only the minimum personnel required to staff headquarters, directorates, and commands are working.“. A chartered replacement Russian vessel has cost Argentina so far, anywhere from 50 to 72 million dollars and when Irizar is again sailing it would have demanded an investment of 120 million dollars. Lawmaker Julio Martinez revealed that during Argentina's bi-centennial celebrations, “the government decided to cancel the overfly of the Air Force fearing the risk of the obsolete aircraft over Buenos Aires”. Of course I dont think nothing will happen because Brazil would put a stop to it. The oldest forces of the Argentinian military are the Argentinian Army and the Argentinian Navy, both created in 1810, during the Argentine War of Independence, while the Argentinian Air Force was established in 1945. Don’t know where that came from chuckle, […] se remarca en un reciente artículo del influyente UK Defense Journal que señala que “Argentina ha dejado de ser una potencia militar […], […] se remarca en un reciente artículo del influyente UK Defence Journal que señala que “Argentina ha dejado de ser una potencia militar […]. I applaud your comment. Argentina's military is severely under-funded. I have read your comments and I am amazed to see how respectful they are with us. The list, which would be the envy of even the best-equipped militaries, included F-16 fighter jets, Stryker armored vehicles, air surveillance radar systems, AH-1 Cobra Helicopters, UH-60 and CH-47 transport helicopters, and anti-tank weaponry. According to local media, when asked more specifically on his comments Martinez said that when he took office he was informed that during the South Atlantic conflict Argentina lost 72 aircraft, but “under Kirchnerism we lost over a hundred planes.”, Military aircraft ceased to operate because of “lack of maintenance, spares, refurbishing and simply because there no funds invested.”. Weapons. The law stat… The problem is the annual wage and pension bill takes up 70% of that budget! The navy had a carrier, a cruiser, newly built subs and state of the art destroyers and frigates. You might well be right Mr Bell. On June 12, 2006, President Néstor Kirchner brought into force the Defense Law, which had been passed in 1988 as a means to modernize the doctrine of the armed forces and define their role, though successive governments had failed to put it into effect. Had they been made by a Labour government the right wing press would have howled loud and long, quite rightly. This leaves the Argentine military with just one type of jet, the IA-63 which is subsonic, decades old and barely serviceable. But according to Lanata despite the Haiti experience, outdated aircrafts and navy vessels that sink while berthed; the government of Cristina Fernandez spends generously in 'non-justified' intelligence gathering to the tune of approximately 76 million dollars, to which must be added undisclosed confidential sums, which are not monitored. In a letter leaked to El Destape, Argentine ambassador to the U.S. Martin Lousteau listed equipment needed by the Argentine Army and Air Force to conduct peacekeeping missions, combat terrorism, and counter illegal trafficking. Argentina has now ceased to be a capable military power. Also Airfields have their own primary and Secondary surveillance radar. The School began to turn out military pilots who participated in milestone events in Argentine aviation, such as the crossing of the Ande… BDU'S (3 EACH)-Consisting of a pair of loose pants with standard rear and thigh pockets, and a Jacket with stylish breast, upper and lower arm pockets. Lockheed Martin conducts U-2 flight with Kubernetes software containerisation technology. Nope, the UK hasn’t had anything other than point defence sams since ditching Bloodhound in the early 90’s. Background quality report: UK armed forces equipment and formations 2019 PDF , 82.4KB , 4 pages This file may not be suitable for users of assistive technology. Makes me wonder whether the flaklands do need a new £100 million air defence system? The Minister of Defence, Major-General Bashir Magashi, has said that the armed forces need indigenous hardware and equipment, which should be … I do not believe that feeling bad or sorry about the Argentine situation is justifiable cause for effectively gifting billions of pounds worth of assets and resources to a fairly recent military aggressor against us. We don’t want to upset Chile who are a good ally in the region and a good customer for our used Type 23s. While the other expeditions failed in their goal of bringing all the dependencies of the former Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plataunder the new … The situation of submarine San Juan is not much different: it has been in repairs for over five years; it was to be back in 2011 but refuses to emerge from the naval base in Mar del Plata. The crew couldn’t contain the flood and she capsized alongside. I agree with other posters that the Falklands defence posture, minimal as it is, should be left as is. Air news. Would love your thoughts, please comment. Un cordial saludo. According to IHS Janes, “The Argentine Air Force is drastically cutting staff working hours and decommissioning its last fighter aircraft amid continuing budget issues. Lanata then mentions that neither the Air Force or the Navy are prepared for the defense of Argentina. I’ve visited the many graves and memorials across the Falklands and cannot so easily forget my peers who fell there, nor what they achieved in victory. Instead, Argentina will have to make due with purchasing less expensive equipment, such as T-6 Texan II trainer aircraft, and upgrading current equipment such as its IA-63 Pampa III. Rumors that the Argentine military is purchasing advanced, and expensive, weaponry during a time of government austerity has angered those who are now suffering. I would not be surprised if other nations military assets suffer the same decline, as defence cost continue to eat into national budgets? Lockheed Martin in November conducted a … Maduro is doing a great job of trashing Venezuela. They tried to steal some islands, the Falklands that are not theirs! 8 August 2019. God keep our nations, I agree with the attitude but I disagree with how extreme your proposition is. The group say that Argentina just doesn’t have the means to purchase the equipment it listed. There are presumably more up to date actual figures available, those 2014-15 ones were just the ones that came up easily on a Google search and seem close enough for illustrative purposes. looks like they’ve a bigger bug than we have. If they could not afford to go to sea then at least the(free) labour available from enlisted personnel with nothing else to do could have been… Read more », Maintenance was the reason it sank. A military, also known collectively as armed forces, is a heavily armed, highly organized force primarily intended for warfare.It is typically officially authorized and maintained by a sovereign state, with its members identifiable by their distinct military uniform.It may consist of one or more military branches such as an army, navy, air force, space force, marines, or coast guard. ...you know you've been labelled an agent of Mercopress and a breacher of Go Daddy ethics? You mean Macri! He leido sus comentarios y me asombra ver lo respetuoso que son con nosotros. It will be decades before we recover many of the capabilities we lost. After a significant period of decline, Argentina has ceased to be a capable military force. How strange to see the Type42 in such a state! Chile is now a stable and growing country and Argentina cant stand to be that behind them. Added the UK armed forces equipment and formations 2019. Perhaps the world could confine one potential conflict to history. 2% is nothing. i had to carry out 3 cleanings of filters every watch, those smelly, dense beasties, no wonder the argies are in such a mess. This is how defense spending would work under the opposition, continue with 2% every penny spent on perks and administration with nothing to show for it. The country also confirmed that all their Lockheed Martin A-4AR Skyhawk fighters have been grounded. Lamentablemente, el gasto militar no es algo bien visto por las ultimas dirigencias politicas. having personal experience of that part of the world, i can say, it is the most hostile water any ship can operate in. But Argentinians are very proud (egocentric lol), so u never say never. The Argentine Air Force has ceased to exist as a fighting force since in 2015 the old Mirage IIIs and IAI Fingers interceptors were decomissioned losing supersonic capabilities. Admins may or may not choose to remove the comment or block the author. For that purpose Lanata and his program “Journalism for All” travelled to the socially devastated and poverty stricken Haiti, where 400 members of the Argentine forces are stationed as peace contingents under United Nations command. They have serious structural problems within their armed forces: 1) There are too many officers in desk jobs who should have been retired years ago drawing a wage 2) When those officers eventually retire their pension is proportionally larger due to their long (unneeded) service 3) An inability to make tough decisions preferring to avoid laying off unneeded personnel or… Read more ». Transport aircraft such as the Hercules are running out of flying hours, need maintenance and are used to supply troops in Haiti and the Antarctica bases. Airborne light utility vehicle. Major equipment in service with the Argentine Army in 1985 included some 150 TAM main Argentine battle tanks that were produced in Argentina under the supervision of the armed force. Unfortunately however there are people within it that don’t have such liberal ambition as to make love not war. Utility vehicles. Suscribe, The icebreaker Irizar caught fire in 2007 and is still in dry dock, Only 28 combat aircraft are operational which does not mean they can engage, Lanata and his Journalism for All visited Haiti as part of their research. Brazil and Chile are no threat and if they renounce their claim on the Falklands I dare say that even the UK would assist with equipment. This has significantly weakened the Argentine Air Force (FAA). Perhaps we could use those systems for UK air defence. in ArmA 3. My only thought is that no matter how bad things had become surely the Arg. 10 September 2020. How did 2020 go for the UK Defence Journal? Navy could have afforded the minimal measures required to at least keep that Type 42 afloat! Website admin will know that you reported it. The mod was made with the aim of recreating these forces in the present and a near future, and that players of all nationalities can enjoy using the Argentine forces, their weapons, vehicles, etc. The RAF Regiment were forced to give up their Rapier sams under New Labour, only the Army have a ground based surface to air capability now. Many people in the last time have begun to support the military. We should offer them a deal, could look like this.. – 50% of all mineral rights around the Falklands – Visa free travel between the islands and Argentina – Development loans from the foreign aid budget, billions of pounds, to extract said mineral wealth – Security, maybe with OPV’s, while they rebuild their navy and air force – With Type 31e and Typhoon tranche 1 – Free Trade Deal This gets us free trade deals with all of south… Read more ». Mucha gente en el ultimo tiempo a comenzado a apoyar a los militares. Good catch there, Macri it is. “We have been able to begin the recovery of the Argentine Armed Forces, and the respect they deserve, since they are an institution of the democratic system”, said Martinez. Brazil is no treat, its actually a close Argentinian allied. Get our news on your inbox! Sad to see the ship and the country in such a bad way. Saludos desde Chile, Good afternoon, I’m Argentine. In February 2014 Argentina announced a $4 billion revamp of its armed forces. The list has become a scandal in Argentina, as political opponents of President Mauricio Macri have attacked him over its contents. Luckily the water… Read more », incompetence is contagious, it would appear. Also provided are … The problems don’t stop there, their submarine crews despite benefiting from a recent upgrade need at least 190 days of immersion practice and in 2016 only spent 19 hours submerged. Seriously I think we should help them out. History shows that things have a nasty habit if popping out of biting you in the a… when your not looking. The loss of lives in the recent disappearance of one of their subs was a sad event and most likely related to the current collapse of the Argentinian Forces. Argentine investigative reporter Jorge Lanata, loathed by the current government of president Cristina Fernandez for his disclosure of the close business links of certain unscrupulous entrepreneurs (or most probably straw-men) who have become millionaires during the Kirchner years, has now exposed the 'calamitous' state of the Argentine armed forces equipment. Sea valves are an issue on all ships. According to Forecast International, recent reports indicating Argentina plans to purchase $2 billion worth of military equipment are unrealistic. Please don’t get me wrong, I don’t view Argentina as… Read more », The Argentine defence budget is .96% of GDP, whilst that is not exactly stunning it is large enough to support a carefully planned equipment program. It was expected to be back at sea in 2011 but remains unfinished in the Tandanor shipyard. Furthermore at the end of last year, vice-president Amado Boudou signed a decree increasing intelligence funds for the Army in approximately another 150 million dollars. The most famous of these expeditions was the one led by General José de San Martín, who led a 5000-man army across the Andes Mountains to expel the Spaniards from Chile and later from Perú. Of the A-4Ar only 3 to 6 are in flight condition and they are attack aircraft with some A2A capacity. As Mark says. Argentina is not, however, planning to purchase this equipment. Right direction but probably too agressive a plan I would say. Having said that a decent air defence system and patrol vessel along with the threat that an Astute boat might be there could and maybe should result in personnel savings. Supimos fabricar tanques, submarinos, aviones y destructores, ya nada de eso queda. He added that the Cordoba aircraft factory had a staff of 1.500, “and not a single aircraft was built in ten years”. kelp the food of the whale is so dense that it will clog up any system exposed onto the sea. The Argentine troops in Haiti allegedly complained that they lack bullet proof jackets and the ordnance they have has expired. Apparently during maintenance a sea valve let go and flooded the machinery space. The Argentine air force recently retired its Mirage fighters with only a handful of them even flyable. Most countries defence budgets hardly eat in to national budgets. There are only 28 combat aircraft in flying conditions, and the 'newest' are five Mirage, not all of them operational and which will have to be decommissioned quite soon. Several military officers were amongst the pioneers of Argentine aviation, including Jorge Newbery, a retired Argentine Navyofficer. Australian armed forces. Could cut and paste any number of countries into that post chap – like Russia in the 90s/early 2000s. The country also confirmed that all their Lockheed Martin A-4AR Skyhawk fighters have been grounded. 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